Following the initial live organ harvesting reports, several overseas organizations started to make telephone investigations. Presenting themselves as people seeking consultations for their relatives who might need organ transplantation surgeries, the investigators called organ transplant sections in numerous hospitals across China. They specifically asked whether the hospitals were able to acquire organs from Falun Gong practitioners. These investigations further validated the allegations that Falun Gong practitioners were killed for their organs.
Lu Guoping of Nanning City Minzu Hospital, Guangxi Autonomous Region acknowledged organs taken from Falun Gong practitioners
Independent investigators David Kilgour, Canada’s former Secretary of State for the Asia-Pacific region, and David Matas, an award-winning international human rights attorney, published the transcript of a telephone conversation with Lu Guoping, a surgeon at the Nanning City Minzu Hospital in Guangxi Autonomous Region in Bloody Harvest – Report into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China. During the conversation, Lu acknowledged several times that Falun Gong practitioners were the source of organ supplies. He said, “Some are from Falun Gong. Some from families of patients.”
The following is an excerpt of the conversation between Lu and an investigator:
Investigator: Then did your classmate tell you that the [organ transplantation] operations they performed were all [with organ sources from] Falun Gong, is that right?
Doctor Lu: Some are from Falun Gong. Some from families of patients.
Investigator: Oh. Then if I want to find this type for my child, this type [of organ] from Falun Gong, do you think he can help me find any?
Doctor Lu: He definitely can find it for you.
[….]
Investigator: What you used before [organs from Falun Gong practitioners], was it from detention center[s] or prison[s]?”
Doctor Lu: From prisons.
Investigator: From prisons? And it was from healthy Falun Gong practitioners…?
Doctor Lu: Correct. We could choose the good ones because we assure the quality in our operations.
Telephone recording: http://organharvestinvestigation.net/Dr.Lu-Voice-Recording/2006-05-22-Dr.Lu-guangximinzuyiyuan.mp3
Transcript: http://organharvestinvestigation.net/Dr.Lu-Voice-Recording/Guangxi-mingzu-ch.pdf (English version: http://organharvestinvestigation.net/report0701/report20070131-eng.pdf)
For more development of this interview, see Letter from Matas/Kilgour to the Chinese Embassy.
Representative of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army No. 307 Hospital brokered for kidneys from Falun Gong Practitioners
During the investigation, World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (WOIPFG) investigators contacted a broker representative of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army No. 307 Hospital in Beijing, in the name of helping family members and friends to find suitable kidneys for their transplant requests. The contact lasted for several weeks and the conversation time totaled several dozen minutes. WOIPFG has compiled a complete record of the conversations and other forms of evidence. If any interested organizations or individuals need further information, please contact WOIPFG. This report will be updated as new evidence becomes available in the future.
Excerpt of conversations:
Investigator: then you go ahead and help me check it out, whether….
PLA No. 307 Hospital Representative: I told you before, didn’t I? I told you before that we told you the real story, we have done two cases. You know, we did two cases.
Investigator: You mean two operations involving Falun Gong practitioners as source?
PLA No. 307 Hospital Representative: That’s right, we did two cases. The prison told us they did that with Falun Gong. I also told that lady that we indeed performed such operations. Now, however, it is getting more difficult than before.
[….]
Investigator: Where did you find the kidney sources before?
PLA No. 307 Hospital Representative: From Xicheng District [in Beijing].
[….]
Investigator: Alright, besides it, how could you be so sure he (the source) was a Falun Gong practitioner, did you find out for sure?
PLA No. 307 Hospital Representative: How to positively identify as Falun Gong practitioner, well, when the time comes — when the time comes our side, our Boss will have people showing you information, you know, he will show you the information and data, you can be sure.
Investigator: Oh, that’s fine.
Telephone recording: http://www.zhuichaguoji.org/cn/upload/audio/investigation_organharvest.mp3
Transcript: http://www.zhuichaguoji.org/node/1437 (English version: http://zhuichaguoji.org/en/sites/zhuichaguoji.org.en/files/record/2007/07/175-en_175.pdf)
For more phone investigations, please read http://www.zhuichaguoji.org/en/node/168